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04 May 2016 09:25:49
Lansbury being targeted by Bristol City now who intend to buy their way into the Premiership.

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04 May 2016 09:50:26
Not sure HL would be interested. Opposition fans always chant "You're Welsh, you're Welsh, you know you are. "at their games lol.

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04 May 2016 13:05:47
Lansbury is definitely going to be targeted, whilst forest is a wounded animal. Thing is, how much is he worth with only 12 months left on his contract? Or how much money will he want, to sign another contract with us? I'm guessing a van full! 💰💰💰.

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04 May 2016 15:00:35
Dyche also still keen to land him this summer.

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04 May 2016 15:46:25
Bristol City ready to offer £6 million for Lansbury according to the Bristol Post.

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04 May 2016 17:39:36
Snatch their hand off at 6 mill.

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04 May 2016 18:26:56
It is going to be very hard to keep Henry this time, Burnley will be back in for him and if Fawaz is still the owner by then he will not turn down big money when there is only 12 months left on Henry's contract. Will take a lot of money to persuade him to stay this time.

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04 May 2016 19:22:25
6 million? Ta very much!

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04 May 2016 20:05:05
Lansbury worth 6 mil on a good day but not constant enough. With good manager in to keep his mentality in check he would thrive here. Can't see him off to Bristol city though he wants to go back to London if anywhere 🌳.

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05 May 2016 07:16:20
No way will anyone pay £6 million for a player with only 1 year left on his contract.
Once again Lansbury himself holds all the cards. He will be sold cheaply now, or even more cheaply in January. Both scenarios will see Lansbury pocketing a big signing on fee and a good salary increase. To keep him Forest will need to match such offers.
For me Henry flatters to deceive. He has talent, but has never fronted up when it actually matters. His disciplinary record is not good. If Henry had stepped up to the mark in games that mattered I would try to keep him, but for me he never plays well in the big games.
A good manager could make him a more consistent player. Martin Oneill, Nigel Clough and Gus Poyet are all good managers. Forest would be lucky to appoint any of them.
Martin or Nigel for me.

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05 May 2016 15:25:53
6 yellows and a red isn't that bad for a playing that played most the season as a defensive midfielder.
You won't see the best of him till he plays in his best position for a season.

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05 May 2016 15:25:53
6 yellows and a red isn't that bad for a playing that played most the season as a defensive midfielder.
You won't see the best of him till he plays in his best position for a season.

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05 May 2016 18:13:32
I vote we go all out to sign that Henry Lansbury who used to play for Arsenal. Did ok at forest.

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04 May 2016 09:24:22
Seems Cohen would like Poyet in as manager.

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04 May 2016 10:27:40
Yes I read that myself eke I think he would b a good appointment cus he plays an attacking brand of football which we all want to see plus he did a good job at Brighton and not a bad job at Sunderland I'd like to hear from a few of you guys on your thoughts.

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04 May 2016 11:06:59
Any of the three managers being strongly linked would be fantastic in my opinion, (MON, Pearson, Poyet) .

Wouldn't it be great seeing us playing attacking though after the season we have just had haha.

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04 May 2016 12:09:43
It would make a change a manager quitting rather than being sacked with his reputation.

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04 May 2016 12:24:32
Fawaz wants team photo now because he could be selling and wants a momento? MON too late to become manager after Euros? Remember Pearce and that disaster
Leaves it between NC and GP although Nigel won't sign till and after Burton are promoted? This leaves it to GP available now and new owners?
What does the team think?

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04 May 2016 12:59:59
Can't see Pearson coming nor MON, not sure NC wants it. Leaves us again with only one: Poyet. Trouble is FAH not the person to either attract quality or recognise it.

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04 May 2016 13:33:30
Considering our position, I think Poyet is a good choice as well.

I've seen a lot of Forest fans moaning that he plays negative football because he prefers one up top but that doesn't mean you have to play defensive football. From what I remember at Brighton he always played attractive footy. Sunderland might have been different because they were in disarray when he turned up and he had to settle the ship.

Maybe his firebrand style of management is exactly what our dressing room needs.

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04 May 2016 13:48:32
Cohen seems to want it to be Poyet due to his style of football, surely he can't be the only one who likes it in the changing room.

i'm personally warming to the idea of Poyet.

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04 May 2016 14:09:53
I'd b happy with any of them 3 in the running as long as we don't get fatty Evans I don't care hopefully fawaz makes the right choice this time.

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04 May 2016 14:39:50
I would be very happy with big GP. The man has fire in his belly, just what we are missing and just what we need at forest. COYR.

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04 May 2016 19:10:22
I'd have doggie back over Nigel - sorry.

A legend from our past, watched him with pride for years and was one of the best we've have had and a key part of memorable team.

So was Pearce.

{Ed001's Note - bit too much info there. Oh wait I misread the first bit there didn't I?}

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04 May 2016 21:37:00
It's the you're reading it ED.

{Ed001's Note - Ed003's dirty mind has rubbed off on me!}

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04 May 2016 22:17:32
I think the point about the vacant seat in the photo is spot on especially as Fawaz has missed out his home town club winning trophies. He has to keep up with the Kuwaiti Jones!

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02 May 2016 15:45:24
So its rumoured that brighton and burnley are interested in gary gardner. Will he choose the premiership and big bucks or the championship.

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02 May 2016 16:12:25
Either way he won't be a forest player next season.

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02 May 2016 16:18:13
He is a professional Footballer. He will want to play in the best division in the world.

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02 May 2016 18:42:14
Lansbury will be off to Burnley too now they have been promoted. We will struggle next season.

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02 May 2016 18:47:22
Add Lansbury and Twisty to that list. 😐.

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02 May 2016 20:01:23
Now Burnley are promoted they will look for bigger fish than Henri. I'm not sure Gardner is good enough yet for the Prem. Yes he has had some good games for us, but you wouldn't call him consistent. Villa will come down with a whole heap of money, so my guess is they will rebuild buying in from abroad or Prem. fringe players. We could have both of them with us next year.

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02 May 2016 20:18:35
Any good news guys? Surely it's not all Doom and gloom!? . go on? . There must be some?

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02 May 2016 20:31:05
I won second prize in the beauty contest.

{Ed003's Note - who won the first prize ??? }

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02 May 2016 20:41:55
Ha! Ha! I won first!

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02 May 2016 20:43:59
John merrick?

{Ed003's Note - hahaha }

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02 May 2016 21:13:45
It was Richard Keogh. oh sorry same bloke. 😂.

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02 May 2016 22:08:39
It was Kenny B.
CARLO.

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02 May 2016 22:46:30
Take the positives!
Leicester and Derby both have players that do not want to move for family reasons but will not get a game next season.
They will be queuing up for game time at Forest.
That is how far we have fallen?

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02 May 2016 22:52:24
Sorry lads I'm the best looking bloke on the forest site with the biggest smile 😆😆😆😆😆.

{Ed003's Note - =-O }

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03 May 2016 11:17:35
Gary Gardner will be playing for Villa next season.

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03 May 2016 17:33:59
Reading between the lines Villa is a mess from top to bottom. I know we have some difficulties at Forest but if things do change in terms of Ownership and management here, he might think twice about which is his best option.

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03 May 2016 19:44:56
It can't be that bad here if he's come back when other teams wanted him and we could only offer 10k a week!

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04 May 2016 13:30:50
What choice does Gardner have? He's contracted to Villa until 2018 and he's not going to go on strike to come to Forest.

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05 May 2016 08:19:35
Ask not what your club can do for you, ask what can you do for your club.
Warning this post may offend!
Forest have a proud history, but we are not a big club. Thanks to our neighbours Leicester City and our own proud history we know that we do not need to be a big club to be successful.
Whoever our new manager is to be, we need to get our own house in order before he arrives. We can blame the owner, we can blame the players and the coaching staff, but we should never underestimate how important the supporters are to the success of our club.
Our travelling support is brilliant. At times the City Ground comes alive and it is a great place to be. Far to often though it is a truly awful place. It is rarely full and often hostile towards owners, players and managers. The half time and full time booing must stop. Booing players, when they have made a genuine mistake does nothing for our cause.
Look at the King Power and The Ipro by contrast and you see full stadiums. Families having a good time.
At the City Ground our crowd, on far to many occasions, become an extra player for the visiting teams. Opposition managers have stated openly that they kill the game in the first half because they know that we will turn against our own side.
If the newly formed Nottingham Forest Supporters Trust can start to reverse the trend of poor fickle support I will give it my full backing. If it turns into a forum for people who having played a few games of Championship Manager on their Xbox think they can run the on field affairs better than the incumbent, then the moaning and the back biting will continue.
How many true supporters do we really have? I have said before 26,000 when we are winning, 16,000 when we are not looks too much like 10,000 fickle supporters for me.
On the field we need stability, but the club needs to develop off the field too. I want to see ground improvements. The big screens and the pitch side advertising are a start, the club shop and the training ground are great, but something has to be done about the toilets and the catering outlets.
By whatever means possible the club should drive towards filling the ground for every home game. One of the most cash rich clubs in Europe is Bayern Munich, where a season ticket is less than £150 a season. If we have to give tickets away with a mobile phone deal it does not matter. A successful Forest makes for a successful Nottingham.
Our next manager is going to get things wrong occasionally, other teams are going to play well against us. Whatever happens please do not make our 'support' a negative factor in next season's challenge. Just look what 2/ 3000 Forest away fans can do and multiply it by 10, 30,000 true supporters could be worth 20 points.
You know it makes sense!

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05 May 2016 09:19:41
Wisheyeddove: some very well thought out points here and many I agree with. Despite all once a Red always a Red. However if a club has 5 years of decline as we seem to be about to enter, then most likely gates will fall and people get depressed and angry. I don't believe that the Supporter's Trust are anything but an organisation to try and help and support the club, they are not out to destroy it. Constructive criticism helps things to change. In modern British football ownership, investment, management and support are critical. The Reds will always have the latter, but the other three are equally vital. One manager cannot do it all on his own though some at the City ground have tried. No-one has come forward with a proper plan to do anything so far, and this is becoming increasingly worrying. We see clubs rise and fall - Portsmouth, Blackpool and many others: Forest need stability and growth as well as revitalisation so it's a much bigger picture than just a manager. Many true supporters see no signs of any kind of improvement in the club, and the answer to all that lies in one place - the very top. The person at the top sets the tone for everything else in the club and it is their skill and judgement which is vital to the club being successful on and off the pitch. We cannot stand by and watch our club be turned into something second-rate, a laughing stock or an abject failure, so we have the right not just to blindlessly support it, but be critical and put forward suggestions as to how it can improve and outline and discuss how that can be done. Not doom and gloom just reality.

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05 May 2016 10:46:42
Bsered.

Our owner reacts to our fluctuating attendance figures and to the fickle minority who tend to frequent sites like this and others. You are spot on in your thought that Forest need stability. My point is that supporters add to the instability. Constructive criticism is fine, but in my experience a certain section of our fan base overdo the criticism and neglect the constructive element.
Dougie Freedman was sacked because gates were falling. In very difficult circumstances he was doing a good job. At the end of our 13 game unbeaten run, pressure was mounting on Dougie to play a more attacking brand of football. With no strikers and no money what was the man to do? Williams and Reid talk about being more positive, but still play with one striker. Lansbury who was injured when Freedman was sacked is now playing in a more advanced role, apart from that I see very little difference and the results have still been patchy.
Yes the owner pulled the plug, but it was supporter pressure that made him do it again. Freedman may not have been the answer, we will never know. I liked the way he was building the club. We were hard to beat. The squad was improving with the introduction of young players and with money to spend in the summer Dougie would have strengthened our attacking options.
Now we start all over again. A new manager, new ideas, more signings, more departures. The fickle few love this. Even Brian Clough needed time, as a group of supporters we need to be more tolerant and well more supportive.

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05 May 2016 14:14:54
I don't disagree again but I think supporters have been very patient and very supportive. We just happen to have an owner who's not up to it and who makes snap decisions that do not improve the club. He doesn't learn from mistakes and seems to either not listen to advice or take the wrong advice which is why so many people who know about football have left.

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29 Apr 2016 13:11:58
Anyone near the ground? Can you make up/ confirm any rumours about greater activity than normal? Possible announcement due? Good news please but Friday funnies gladly received. 😊.

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29 Apr 2016 13:47:05
There are only 2 days left of early bird discount. Perhaps your seeing the queue of renewals. Don't get in the way you might get caught in the stampede.

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29 Apr 2016 14:06:34
I've just watched Fawaz getting off a tired looking Skills bus! knotted hanky on top of his head, with another man in tow. Greek looking, tubby build. Apparently they're setting up a slide show, of holiday snaps. Season ticket holders get in free, £2 general admission, £1 consessions.

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29 Apr 2016 14:17:11
Last home game selling out quick, apparently. Must be speculation of investment/ manager, certainly not weather report. Coyr.

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29 Apr 2016 16:33:05
Fawaz said he would make an announcement hopefully before the end of the month about a manager, so it could be the new ovens going in for Evans pies🍔.

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29 Apr 2016 19:23:38
The good news is their is no news as appointing the right manager at this time is not an option!

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30 Apr 2016 06:08:30
I wonder if the Greek guy will invest enough so fawaz can take back seat.

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30 Apr 2016 06:41:20
So this is the man you want to make fawaz take a back seat is it?
The Olympiakos president is accused of being involved in and directing a criminal organisation, aiding and abetting blackmailing, aiding and abetting extortion, and aiding and abetting bribery and fraud.
Can't wait.
Be careful what you wish for.

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30 Apr 2016 07:02:31
That's nothing! You wait and see what he gets accused of on here if he gets involved with us! 😊.

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30 Apr 2016 07:06:54
He sounds more like an agent than an owner?

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30 Apr 2016 07:26:44
By what iv read as well he isn't allowed out the country as he is on bail and has to report to the police every few days. so this is why fawaz was in Greece, because the new bloke can't leave his country.
Is this why it's being classed as investment and not new ownership as he wouldn't pass any fit and proper person tests, which fawaz passed.

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30 Apr 2016 07:32:13
But if that's what the fans want that's what the fans shall have. if it does go through fawaz will probably get more stick for it but the fans should realise that it's THEM that are forcing fawaz to do this and not himself.

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30 Apr 2016 08:49:42
This Greek visit is all a smokescreen Fawaz cannot buy a decent kebab in Nottingham!

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30 Apr 2016 09:47:37
If the Greek guy can, t get to Nottm . he could get Bily, s cousin Jim to run the club for him!
CARLO.

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30 Apr 2016 12:54:56
I would let Jim or billy run around the block let alone run another football club.

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30 Apr 2016 14:17:57
Wouldn't ##.

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30 Apr 2016 16:17:19
uptheforest

You forgot about the persistent match fixing allegations?

Be great if we could buy the odd win. :)

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30 Apr 2016 18:53:24
No I didn't that was all relating to the charge of match fixing.

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30 Apr 2016 21:40:14
Always wondered why Billy No Mates stats were so high? You can set your clock by him and read him like a children's book!
Foul play?

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29 Apr 2016 10:10:12
Roy Keane has also said on tv that he would also be interested in the forest job, but I have been told that he has been seen in glasgow?

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29 Apr 2016 17:12:15
Roy Keane stated he'd be willing to have some money for doing some shouting.
The arrangement would be scheduled to last until he inevitably got the sack and everyone's said " I told you so".

At which point more shouting would take place.

Anyone still interested in seeing football return to the city ground could then buy a half season ticket in the hope that we can make up the nine point gap to the playoffs.

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30 Apr 2016 16:05:59
If he's in Glasgow he's prob having a word with Billy about how you work over a rich Kuwaiti business man.

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30 Apr 2016 21:45:53
Bit harsh! Keano has high standards and tell it how it is. Too many players are overpaid and think they know it all.

We have a squad that clearly want to succeed and are committed.

Keano has benefitted from being with MON and has mellowed.

I think he and someone like Mike Phelan would do a good job with what we have?

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01 May 2016 01:09:56
It's only a joke? lol

I loved watching him play for us when I was a boy, and wouldn't be too put out if we had a straight talking ex player as boss.

As long as the circus is removed! If we carry on like this he wouldn't last till the end of the press conference announcing his arrival never mind the end of the season.

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29 Apr 2016 10:07:14
MON was Irish tv, said he was not in talks about his ROI contract yet and was open to a return to club football after the Euros, he did hint about contact with forest?

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29 Apr 2016 19:25:18
Dream on!

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28 Apr 2016 12:10:24
Fawaz is not selling up, he is after investment and is in advanced talks with Evangelos Marinakis. The new manager will not be announced until this has gone through. The most likely candidate if this deal goes through would be Poyet however MON remains Fawaz's number one target.

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28 Apr 2016 14:06:53
Just wondering if anyone could help me understand what an investment would achieve? More money into the club, or would this mean Evangelos would be advising Fawaz on decisions etc?

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28 Apr 2016 14:19:21
It was true all along.

The Emporor has no clothes.

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28 Apr 2016 16:49:37
So no 22 your wallets open and you're prepared to put a 100 million into our club. I don't think so. Its about time people stopped hounding people who are prepared to hound out people who are prepared to put up their money into our club. If more fair weather fans put their hands into their pockets and got behind the boys as vocal on the terraces as they do on here. Yees fawaz may be over enthusiiastic and nigel doughty was a an ardent fan and not an idiot. Without their 160 million we would be bankrupt.

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28 Apr 2016 17:11:25
My thoughts to Eke, what is he investing in, ground improvements, players, sponsorship, i reckon he is going to flog us😎.

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28 Apr 2016 17:19:26
I'd buy a football club because people like you tip up every week to give good money for crap.

An owner cannot really lose when he has mugs at his disposal Normal.

Shame you still don't understand it all? Fawaz hasn't spent anything. lol. I know it hurts your tiny brain but it's a loan for a reason and 30 million quid of your fantasy 100 million spend is borrowed against the club.

Fawaz needs investment because he's potless and looking for an easy way out. If he was any good or had the money he'd man up.

Call yourself an owner Fawaz? You can see how big a fan he is now ducky. lol
It can be measured in cold hard cash.

And here's a tip. If you see failure, impropriety and ineptitude call it out or your heading for trouble.

What fearful change resistant nonsense you spout.

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28 Apr 2016 17:26:42
In all honesty, i'm a fan of Fawaz. However what does confuse me is that, i'm pretty sure i read an article which stated he was rich enough to purchase 3 or 4 of the top teams in the world. So why would we need an investment?

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28 Apr 2016 17:31:53
Well said stormingnorman I have just said a similar thing on the banter site.

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28 Apr 2016 17:50:08
Well said norm.

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28 Apr 2016 18:21:04
That's what you call fantasy football.

The lesser spotted east midland ginger parrot probably came up with that one after Fawaz mentioned it.

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28 Apr 2016 18:31:14
Totally agree Norman! No 22? Since you know so much about Forest's problems. Why don't YOU apply for CEO? Fawaz would pay you silly money, and on the other hand you would turn the club around! Win! Win!

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28 Apr 2016 18:50:28
Let me tell you what's going to happen here.

Fawaz is selling the club! What do you think the new investor is buying? You can't take someones money and give them nothing back.
He is at least selling some of the club, but maybe not all of it.
And let's not forget that Abdulaziz already owns a small percentage.

I just hope the new investor takes a controlling stake of at least 51% and puts floppy ears to bed.

IF HE DOESN'T THIS CLUB WILL GO OUT OF EXISTENCE!

Why do I say that?
Because you can get ready for the mother of all boardroom battles when the two fall out over Fawaz's incompetence.
He can't sack a part owner when things don't work out.

Imagine the friction and potential for bills not being paid then.

There will be a struggle for control with debts at least twice what they are now and no one really giving a damn about the team or fans. The focus will be on ousting the other party and the whole club will suffer.

Any part ownership deal is bound to end in tears.

Fawaz better not mess with Mr Greek or he might find himself having a new golden dawn.

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28 Apr 2016 18:51:51
Youll never get through to the fawaz lovers no22.
I see you're not mouthing off about the greek rumours now rogie?

Fawaz is and always has been a phoney. His old girl has probably said she wants her money so he's now frantically searching for people to bail him out.

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28 Apr 2016 18:54:59
No22

Are you not a season ticket holder? If we're all paying money to support our club, why are we mugs, and not you? You think you've got Fawaz sussed, but sounds to me, like you don't really know the full story. You sound like a two bit book keeper, that thinks he can do better than the boss. A proper jobs worth, whose posts seem to just pick on long standing fans.

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28 Apr 2016 19:09:13
Why can't I call myself a mug? It's a mugs game and I'm doing it too!

Here's why I have a problem.

It's down to those pesky numbers again!

Clubs worth 30 million

Bloke buy half @ £15 million

Where do you think you're going to get with £15 million quid? You can't pay a years losses with that. lol AND that's assuming Fawaz even wants to invest that cash or any other into the club.

Ok, the new guy and Fawaz both then inject cash on a like for like basis.

So can you not see that Fawaz is just kicking the can down the road and we'll be lucky if we don't end up with a few more years of mediocre rubbish until they fall out and tear the club apart.

FFP says we can't spend 8 million next season and even less the season after that so has it got so bad that Fawaz won't support his own club to the tune of 8 million a year?

Is he really looking to cut that in half to 4 million a year?

We are a club heading for low spends and boardroom trouble and if you can't see that you really are drunk on Fawaz love potion.

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28 Apr 2016 19:15:51
Your right I apologise unreservedly for letting my frustration boil over into criticism of other fans.

The reason that happens is because people keep coming out with Lemming BS about following the club until we die and letting ruthless snide owners take your money through blind faith.

I am not a book keeper by the way.

Just a CEO who knows that running one business is the same as running another. The faces change, the figures are different, the product is different, but the basic principles for success are the same everywhere.


Honestly, there's housewives running Avon rounds better than the way this club is run.

It is shocking, and I know that no other professional who reads this board will disagree!

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28 Apr 2016 19:20:39
Yes mate also see he doe's not want to end his association with the club either? So one way or another can only be good for the club. you must have been scratching around for weeks untill this rumour popped up again! Lol!

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28 Apr 2016 19:22:16
Why do I get the feeling no.22 doesn't like fawaz?
Your telling us what you think would happen when you don't have a clue like the rest of us.

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28 Apr 2016 19:55:17
I have a lifetimes experience of running companies and can see what's coming.

I don't dislike anyone? I just object to fans paying for a 30 million quid loan every time they pay for a ticket. It is robbery! And plenty on here lapping it up like its gravy.

Fawaz ain't all that but he is a master at playing the hapless fool and raking it in while you're distracted.

If he sold half the club for 15 million how long would that money last?
It wouldn't because Fawaz wouldn't put it back in? Everyone's kicking there heels like Christmas is coming but Fawaz is looking to offload, not get further in?

Why would he drop any money in from the sale?


They would have to agree a funding plan between them but it would have to stick to FFP and the only real benefit would be player swaps.
So fawaz sells half the club, gets to limit his losses and agrees to put in what is required to keep the club afloat. That is not a 20 million spend like some seem to be dreaming.

The bills might get paid on time but that depends on whether Mr control freak let's the investor have any control over the running of the club.


That is why I want this sale to be of a size that means the investor has the majority shareholding. Fawaz can't even get a CEO in, never mind a new owner to look over the books and play around in the back end of the club.

Why would any investor let that happen? Who's going to come in and watch Fawaz throw money about and continue to ruin the club and his investment?

It's madness?

It is bound for disaster. Mr Greek shipping magnate should know that a partnership is the worst ship you can sail in.

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28 Apr 2016 20:49:17
No 22 if you know so much about running businesses you will admit that running afootball club is nothing like running a normal business. Nobody can balance the books and its almost a waiting game for a bit of success and a possible cash injection before you go bust or manage to get shot of a business that you cannot keep propping up. You keep banging on about loans and that fawaz hasn't invested anywhere near the figures that are thrown about but isn't that big business and how your successful companies would make big money? So is your problem that you think fawaz is already making a fortune from us and you're admitting he is a shrewd business man or is he just a crazy guy with too much money who should never have invested in a football club? But all we need to save everything is to find another crazy investor to buy him out?

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28 Apr 2016 21:45:06
I don't dislike anyone? I just object to fans paying for a 30 million quid loan every time they pay for a ticket. It is robbery! And plenty on here lapping it up like its gravy.

Fawaz ain't all that but he is a master at playing the hapless fool and raking it in while you're distracted.
This kind of contradicts what you are saying about fawaz. you say he is potless but is raking it in?! we are running at a loss like we have for the last 15 years so it's nothing new but fawaz puts in 20million a year and in return gets nothing as the club is losing that. yes it's as a loan but he will still not make any money on what he has put in as his loan will be paid back to him but the club will be sold for less than he paid.

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28 Apr 2016 22:06:10
I think that 30m loan has paid for fawaz's holiday to Greece. I saw him book it so I know its true- 3*all inclusive week in the sun-he paid too much for the holiday and got done when he picked his euros up, I got a much better exchange rate at the little booth at the airport. Call yourself a businessman! You can't even book a decent holiday, you'll be at skeggy next! (sorry skeg 😊)

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29 Apr 2016 13:24:48
I think we're all missing a major point here. If we're going to lose in the region of 12 million this year after the 7 million sale of Antonio then our loss would have been 19 million without that sale. Even if we take out loan players and Tesche Wilson and Reid then that would save us 8 million at best. We would have to recruit 6 players to have adecent squad even at 10k would add 3 million of costs back. So even to stand still our losses are likely to be 13 to 14 million well outside what we need to remain out of ffp the following season. It doesn't matter where the money comes from but somebody has to plug that gap. To get down to 6 million target to keep within ffp rules would mean significant selling beyond just Lars and Paterson. Some interesting times ahead whoever foots the bill.

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29 Apr 2016 19:30:05
No 22
Sometimes you cannot push water up hill!
You are absolutely spot on but you know the saying " blinded by love"! It happens to us all unless you are an accountant?
Haha!

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29 Apr 2016 22:48:18
Up the forest.

There's your error. You are equating your potless to Fawaz's potless.
It is a vastly different thing. Not just because of the figures but because of the expenditure that is required to keep the show going.
He is potless. Do you think he'd be seeking investment otherwise? He certainly can't keep up with current spending.
Doesn't mean he's skint in the way we understand it?

You also incorrectly add all the numbers together like all the money belongs to Fawaz but it doesn't?

Some of this is club money being spirited away to Fawaz's pocket whilst the rest is Fawaz's investment (not his personal money- they are different) which is being spent with the condition of an IOU.

Fawaz has borrowed 30 million quid from a bank against the club!

He paid 20 mill for the club

The fans are in effect buying Fawaz a football club and have given him 10 million quid to play with - depending on the difference of the price he paid for the club.

What you have to understand is that he owns a club which he paid Mrs Doughty below market value for.
Forget about the bank loan paying off his stake for now.
The club is an asset and still worth it's money because the club has a market value, so no loss there! He still owns it.
That would be like you buying a house and writing all the money off and saying when I die ill give it to the gov or the dogs home or not valuing it.

Just because the money was spent doesn't mean it disappears? It just turns into an income producing asset. The fans provide Fawaz with an income for his trouble too.
Yes it is all capital outflow, but it's not like a loss in your world? It can be leveraged in the same way your future labour can be in your potential future earnings.

Fawaz is just like a buy to let landlord.
Only difference is that he's bought the house (prob for less than market value) then borrowed 30 million against the house you're living in and is getting you to pay it back in the rent.
Nothing illegal in it but you have to realise one very important point.

The revenue comes from the club first and foremost! The loan gets paid first, they always do. That and the tax man. You'll find that out if we go bust. ;)
All this talk of investors coming in. He already has an investor on board! Whoever wrote that loan is an investor!

But the loan is being paid off by the ticket receipts at the gate.

Any money then spent over and above income is written down as a loss because the club ultimately makes a loss.
No matter that Fawaz pays the bills? The fact is that the loan is paid for by the club. Worst of all the amounts roll over into Fawaz's IOU's
It is a cost so lands on the business side and removes revenue from the club.

Example. If the club makes 12 mil a year turnover but a loan is introduced @ 2 million a year interest plus some repayment of the principle £30 million sum, you have a 2 million reduction in the money you can spend from your turnover because you now have this huge loan to pay off.

So 12 million available to spend reduces to 10 million to spend because the loan is already allocated.
This also makes the losses look bigger by 2 million because the revenue has been removed.

But you then have to ask yourself where did the 30 million go? If he spent it on players and running the club he has just billed you twice for spending your own money!
****ing genius but you still can't see it?
The fact is that the loan isn't counted as income? After we spend 12 million or whatever is generated by the club it gets written as an IOU.
All Fawaz has to do is own the club long enough for the loan to be paid by you and the 30 million he pocketed just gets forgotten.


So to sum up.

He has a club he has paid for. No loss there.

He has had 30 million quid of the clubs cash which he likely paid for the losses over and above the income of the club. He didn't pay that out of his pocket? The club is paying that loss off with its own money and then being sent an IOU for its trouble!
He has taken 30 million quid out of the club, spent it and billed you back for 30 million quid in an IOU. All the while claiming that he has spent his own money.



Whatever else he has spent is his spending. Do you want me to be sad for a man who lives a jet set lifestyle and spends his cash how he likes? You all look like it as if it's a tragedy?
You all equate it to your own situations but they are nothing like each other. Spent is not spent in Fawaz land.

It is just money moved from one balance sheet to another. It is not spending? It is signing cheques, investing money, using a club as a store of value, and playing the long game.

You can't see it because you equate it to money going out of your pocket. It doesn't work like that in this case?

It is no different to you taking money out of your pocket and burying it in the garden for safe keeping. Yeah you could forget it or lose it or whatever but it's still there. You still have it but Fawaz's garden grows big money trees in it when he plants cash and yours does not.

Billy and his brother in law Jim knew! Once they figured it out they engineered a financially beneficial way out.


If the above figures and assumptions are wrong you would have to then assume that Fawaz has spent the following amounts:

THESE CANNOT BE DENIED!

20 mill buying the club (I'll round it down to make it easy)

30 mill of loan money belonging to the club

15 mill of transfer fees belonging to the club

48 million club revenue @ 12 million PA x 4 seasons

67 million of his own money. (claimed personal loans in accounts)

= 180 MILLION POUNDS!

And could be more depending on what he paid for the club.

Can you now see how this doesn't add up even though they are the basic figures?
You talk about him being a good business man but if he's spent 180 million pounds plus and you can't even see where he's been apart from a big telly and a squad of 24 (inc kids) then we have a problem.

It is also possible that the club owes money for staged payments in players contracts and other such things too.

So if anyone still thinks this guy is a good owner, Do me a favour and stop cheerleading because I now feel quite ill.

I thought Derby were the wooly ones but Fawaz has got more than enough wool to cover some people eyes.

Alarm bells should be ringing!

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30 Apr 2016 07:24:48
Blimey 22,alarm bells are certainly ringing here-ive just woke up 😊 what a joy to wake up to a little light reading. You are not telling us anything new and to be honest I don't recall anyone on here saying fawaz is a good businessman, in fact I think anyone who buys into a football club must be mad! But he is in charge of our club, he has invested in us and for him to get any form of return we do need to do well-here is where you fall down, who is banging his door down to buy him out or invest? Would they be any better?
Im not a fawaz lover or a hater but he is in charge of the club i love and i have got some respect for him. Its easy to point out problems but not so easy to resolve them but you'd know this from your long career in running successful businesses.

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30 Apr 2016 11:41:30
The mantra of Fawaz being a good businessman is all over this board time and again.
Problem is that it's a wild assumption from people who just think its true because somehow he's managed to find himself in control of a load of money. lol

So I'm going to drop the figures gain for anyone who couldn't be bothered to read the above. ;)


If the above figures and assumptions are wrong you would have to then assume that Fawaz has spent the following amounts:

THESE CANNOT BE DENIED!

20 mill buying the club (I'll round it down to make it easy)

30 mill of loan money belonging to the club

15 mill of transfer fees belonging to the club

48 million club revenue @ 12 million PA x 4 seasons

67 million of his own money. (claimed personal loans in accounts)

= 180 MILLION POUNDS!

And could be more depending on what he paid for the club.

Can you now see how this doesn't add up even though they are the basic figures?
You talk about him being a good business man but if he's spent 180 million pounds plus and you can't even see where he's been apart from a big telly and a squad of 24 (inc kids) then we have a problem.

What are your thoughts on these figures? lol.

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30 Apr 2016 12:51:56
Those figures bore me now and I don't even know what you are trying to say? Is he a fraud? Is he making money out of us? Is he a good businessman but shouldn't be running forest? Is he a poor businessman and shouldn't be running forest? Is he wasting money or making money?
Anyway I hope you enjoy the game 😊.

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30 Apr 2016 14:42:24
You still don't get it do you?


FFS?


It ain't that complicated if you take the time to understand it.

The club has been done for £30 million and maybe even 60 million depending on how the loan and the IOU's are written down.

If you don't think that's serious then you clearly don't have the clubs interests at heart and would sooner blindly carry on as is.

Funny thing is that if you take the £60 million figure out of the above numbers you magically get £120 million which is much nearer to what the accounts show.

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30 Apr 2016 18:41:12
Isn't ffp not 😊.

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27 Apr 2016 14:02:47
Long time reader, first time poster. All over Twitter, Forest have approached Steve "Chunk" Evans, for managers job.

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27 Apr 2016 15:15:55
Down the pan we go.

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27 Apr 2016 16:01:51
Forest have denied the approach. Just poor journalism.

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27 Apr 2016 16:32:11
Hope so, he would definitely not be my first choice manager. Although the catering side of things at the city ground would probably improve massively. He looks like he knows his way around a good burger!

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27 Apr 2016 17:50:07
It's someone trying to turn more fans against fawaz that's started the rumour!

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27 Apr 2016 20:59:55
This report smacks of Evans' best mate WMD tactics of stirring the pot for his own agenda. He is trying to flush out a new contract offer from Cellino having made it known that he (Evans) is the best man for the LUFC job. He is now spinning a tale that he has the option of moving to a better club if a contract is not offered by Leeds.

I cannot believe that even Fawaz would so naive as to appoint a man with such a lack of integrity and honesty?

In any event the Forest bench would have to undergo a major upgrade before he could take a seat in the dugout!

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28 Apr 2016 10:41:20
Didn't he call us a poor side when we played them a couple of months ago. let's just stick with going for MON.

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27 Apr 2016 10:40:16
Reports linking Paul Ince with the Forest job. Heard this in a local newspaper on my trip to Blackpool.

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27 Apr 2016 15:37:20
That's low even for fawaz.

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27 Apr 2016 17:50:52
Did you not hear the interview with McGovern who laughed the suggestion of ince off?

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27 Apr 2016 21:02:16
We would need a second team bus on matchdays to transport the Ince ego and a third one if he re-signed his son!

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26 Apr 2016 20:03:13
Nottingham forest are currently trying to negotiate a deal with Steve mcclaren to come back to forest as manager.

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26 Apr 2016 20:34:32
With Billy as his number 2? How much have you bet that this will happen? If he was the only manager in the world and we were the only club.

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26 Apr 2016 20:36:44
LOL. Derrick98. That's class. LOL.

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27 Apr 2016 11:11:35
I am just telling you what I heard and when July comes along and Steve mcclaren is manager you will all be sorry.

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27 Apr 2016 11:20:02
Well he must be due some success at some point?

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27 Apr 2016 12:47:03
I can't wait until July now :)

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27 Apr 2016 13:45:47
Last time Mclaren came has manager I thought long and hard before buying my season ticket, if this happens, it will take a millisecond, NO.

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27 Apr 2016 13:46:50
Lol, too right we'll all be sorry if that happens, pmsl.

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27 Apr 2016 15:16:41
At least we all might get a free umbrella?

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27 Apr 2016 19:46:22
That's about as likely to happen as Leicester winning the premier league. oh wait.

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27 Apr 2016 21:03:43
Macca in the frame for Terry Farndales old job as kitman more like?

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27 Apr 2016 23:33:07
Your sources are unreliable Derrick. LOL.

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